Michael Guglielmucci Should Be CRUCIFIED!

I find it very ironic how many Evangelical Preachers open their mouths condemning the world only to find out that they are as bad if not worse than the world. They speak from the pulpit spewing lies while when not in it they have sex with female and male prostitutes, do drugs, commit fraud, steal money, fake diseases, and write false songs.

It is whether you like it or not a sign from GOD punishing these so called men of GOD. He exposes them to the light for all the world to see. It should server as a warning to others that if you ARE a man of GOD you damn well better be a MAN OF GOD!

You don’t condemn others and their practices while you yourself (these men who claim to be MEN of GOD) commit said same acts. I find it refreshing that the Evangelical Church who thinks themselves oh so better than (others) thou are getting WHACKED as hard as they are. So let’s take a short walk down memory lane shall we?

Jimmy Swaggert: Sexual acts with a female prostitue

Jim Bakker: Sex scandal & accounting fraud

Ted Haggard: Sexual acts with a male prostitute and  doing illegal drugs

Todd Bentley: Well umm, you’ll have to Google him he’s so umm, well you’ll see

AND NOW MY FAVORITE:

Michael Guglimucci: Dying of Terminal Bone Cancer, Fraud, Attempt to Fraud, Lies, the list goes on and on, let’s recap Michael shall we…

The problem is the pastor wasn’t dying at all !

Michael Guglielmucci, who inspired hundreds of thousands of young Christians with his terminal cancer “battle”, has been exposed as a fraud.

Guglielmucci, whose parents established Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God church at O’Halloran Hill in Adelaide’s southern suburbs, now is seeking professional help.

Earlier this year, Mr Guglielmucci released a hit song, Healer , which was featured on Sydney church Hillsong’s latest album.

The song debuted at No. 2 on the ARIA charts.

It since has become an anthem of faith for believers, many of whom are suffering their own illness and were praying for a miracle for Mr Guglielmucci, who has claimed for two years to be terminally ill.

In one church performance that has attracted 300,000 hits on YouTube, he performs his hit song with an oxygen tube in his nose.

It appears Mr Guglielmucci, who was a pastor with one of Australia’s biggest youth churches, Planetshakers, may even have deceived his own family.

“This news has come as a great shock to everyone including, it seems, his own wife and family,” Hillsong general manager George Aghajanian said in an email to his congregation yesterday.

“Michael has confirmed that he is not suffering with a terminal illness and is seeking professional help in Adelaide with the support of his family. We are asking our church to pray for the Guglielmucci family during this difficult time.”

The Advertiser was told last night Mr Guglielmucci may release a statement on the situation.

The Australian Christian Church said Mr Guglielmucci’s credentials immediately were suspended once he told the national executive that his cancer claims were “untrue”.

“The national executive is taking this matter very seriously and is awaiting the results of medical tests before determining the full extent of the discipline that will be imposed upon him,” vice president Alun Davies said.

“We are very concerned for the many people who have been or will be hurt by Michael’s actions.

“We encourage all of our churches to pray for all those affected.”

I am more convinced than ever that church celebrity culture must die and die quickly! It wouldn’t hurt if the Evangelical Church died as well! I’m curious how this got so far. Two years? How could NOBODY had verified this story?? There were no doctors? No medical records? Nobody visited him at the hospital during treatments? His wife was soooooooo concerned she never went with him to any doctor visits, tests, exams, or when he was supposedly in the hospital god knows how many times?

This whole damn thing is the biggest SCAM & SHAM perpetrated by all around it or everyone around it are the stupidest people to ever live and should never had made it this far in life. How they have escaped Natural Selection is beyond me, perhaps they to have been drinking the Kool-Aid!

With all the hits the Evangelical Church has been taking over the years, particularly the last few one should think before they go tearing down other churches, religions, & people they had better tend their OWN damn backyards first, epically those who are tending them. So they next time you wonder why SO many people are turned off by Christianity and GOD remember these men and many others like them, as well as proving my Boyfriend and his beliefs about Christianity right.

This is the most disgusting, sickening, deplorable thing I have ever heard, seen, or read. This WORM should be figuratively and literally CRUCIFIED!

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~ by Digory Kirke on August 22, 2008.

54 Responses to “Michael Guglielmucci Should Be CRUCIFIED!”

  1. I am not speaking in defense of this man or the church. I can totally understand why you would write what you have.

    I just want to say that I am sorry you have been hurt so much by the church and try to forgive those who have hurt you because it’s hurting you to withhold forgiveness.

  2. lets just leave the judging up to God…. I understand your frustration and anger but don’t let this become like a poison in your heart and detain you from the love and grace of God, and that of which He would want each of us to have. It’s so important for all of us as christian’s to respond in the way that represents God in an appropriate manner…… let’s just keep in mind the pain and suffering his wife Amanda and the rest of the family must be going through and keep them in our prayers.. at the end of the day they are our brothers and sisters and just like in our own family when one of them fall its important to pray and support them so we can allow God to restore them… Only Jesus was perfect, at one stage or another, we have all fallen short of the glory of God…. our hope is in our Lord Jesus Christ but unfortunately we sometimes place it on man……..

  3. What you wrote was harsh…but fair. I think there’s too many soft Christians that immediately talk forgiveness and ‘love to all men who have sinned’. I have no doubts that we are all sinners and that judgement is best left up to God, but heres the thing…if you’re in a position of power and you abuse that, God judges you twice as harshly…I’m getting pretty sick and tired of people cutting slack to those who screw up big time and take that road of selfishness and greed…usually taking a whole lot of suckers along for the ride. Compromise is unacceptable as far as I’m concerned. No more excuses. If you’re going to take a position of authority in a church, you treat that privilege and honour with the due respect. You’re right, its clowns like Mike that discredit the church and put people off.

  4. I’ll second Jo and add my apology to you for what myself or any other may have done in the church to hurt you. We have made many mistakes and are far from perfect, but we do serve a God that overflows with grace. Unfortunately it seems that when a scandal such as this erupts, the church is instantly attacked and loses all credibility. We’re never going to fix everything, and we shouldn’t pretend that we will be able to either, but that doesn’t mean we tear down the church. Everything we do as people is going to be corrupted in someway because we just don’t live in a perfect world.

    In regards to Mr. Guglielmucci, I say he deserves a second chance, another shot. It is unfortunate that he lied about the cancer and has likely lied about many other things through his life, but he still should get another shot at it from us. Where would we all be if all our screw-ups were broadcasted and we were crucified for the mistake that we have made?

  5. Jo – so basically we’re supposed to forgive the leaders for their lies and deception while at the same time putting up with their slings and arrows from the pulpit? Remember, these are the same people (at least here in the USA) who call those of us who are not like them “evil wretched sinners.” The evangelical community regularly calls feminists, gay people and liberals nasty names, and can’t possibly consider that these people might love Jesus quite as much as they do.

    I’m thinking that the church needs to do some serious soul-searching and get back to Jesus, the guy who spent his time with notorious sinners, instead of courting fame, fortune and the world, and building up these little kingdoms of their own.

    But I know I’m just spitting into the wind on that one. Nothing will change. This will just blow over and be forgotten, instead of used as a way to repent.

  6. Jo-

    Shut up! I am so sick of the Christian bull crap of forgive and forget. This man is a criminal and needs to be locked up! I don’t give a damn what religious affiliation you are if you commit a crime you go to prison, end of story. Now Turtle is upset because these are the people that represent his religion, Christianity. And they are doing so in a rather poor fashion. Personally I cannot for the life of me understand how you all can look at ancient religions and dismiss them as “Outrageous nonsense”, but expect everyone to read your religious texts and not think the same thing!

    And you know what? How much pain would you take from a spouse before you say enough? Should a woman who is being abused by her husband stand idly by as he beats her and just continue to forgive him? Or should she stand up for herself and leave?

    Besides you Xtians always say you cannot forgive those who continue in sin.

  7. Sure, this situation can be frustrating…but don’t attack all pastors and Christians because of a man’s mistake. Our faith needs to be in God anyways, not man…

  8. sorry you hurt much love.

  9. “How much pain would you take from a spouse before you say enough? Should a woman who is being abused by her husband stand idly by as he beats her and just continue to forgive him? Or should she stand up for herself and leave?

    Besides you Xtians always say you cannot forgive those who continue in sin.”

    texaspony, could a woman still continue to forgive her husband, even though she needs to seek refuge and escape the situation? does leaving immediately mean that she hates and despises her husband?

    as for forgiveness and sin, i’m going to continue to forgive those who are continuing in sin against me because i really don’t know where they are at. maybe all they need to see is a little forgiveness from man. then again, man can’t really forgive someone of their sin, that would be a God-thing. but still, we’re called to love unconditionally, and that means loving no matter how much sin is built up.

    just thoughts…

  10. You guys make me sick. I am so glad I am NOT a Christian. You know if he had said a cuss word in front of Children…that is a MISTAKE! If he forgot to turn the lights out at night….that is a MISTAKE! Lying to family and flocks about CANCER is not, repeat is NOT a MISTAKE! Leaders of Churches are supposed to be held to higher standards as they are guiding those in the faith along the “Narrow” & “Righteous” path. As a priest/preacher, you represent GOD/Jesus to the people. You are their “light” in a world of “Darkness”, and yet you have the unmitigated gall to pretend to have a horrible disease for what? Money? Fame? PITY? NO, this man does NOT deserve a second chance. The very fact that you guys would do so, does not show to me a loving people, it shows me a gullible people that get what they deserve.

    I suppose you also are the type who want to forgive George “Dubya” Bush? His consistent, perpetual lies. His sending young men & women to die for NOTHING! First we were going for WMD’s, then we were going for Al Queda, and he couldn’t decide which lie was true. This man is the most foul on this Earth! Oh that’s ok, he was greedy for oil to get more money and killed many innocent people in the process, lets get on our knees and forgive this MONSTER! Evil people just deserve a second chance to walk all over us!

    BTW Micah, To the “Sinners” of the world, pastors & Christians are all they see of “God/Jesus”. And like I said, they are the representatives of God/Jesus to the people. So yes, that is why we are attacking all pastors & Christians. You guys should be setting the higher standards, not standing around allowing shit like this to go quietly by the wayside.

  11. Wow, ok this is really out of hand isn’t it? Firstly, evangical preacher shud not and do not judge or condemn anyone. It is not in their power to do so. So these men do not condemn the world, but more choose to be not of the world.

    But we must always remember that these men who live their lives not of the world, r always still in the world. And because of this they r always faced with temptations, whether it be for glory or of the flesh.

    To Jo, i believe we should forgive, but we shud still learn from this. Mistakes hav occured sooo many times in history, but our biggest mistakes is when we dnt learn from them.

    And to turtle, it is tru that the celebrity aspect of church has been raised too high, but this is not for all modern churches, please try not to generalise. My church has NEVER condemned any one. Whether they be feminists, homosexual, or anything else, we do not condemn. We know that God does not hate gay people, God puts all just as highly as the next. To say ‘It wouldn’t hurt if the Evangelical Church died as well!’ is harsh, and unfair. As their will ALWAYS be men who do wrong, and there will ALWAYS be leaders that will fall. But we must remember that God is STILL GOD, and man, will ALWAYS be man.

    And as for mike gugs, he has made a terrible sin, but that is for him to deal with. Mike is insignificant in God’s plan. Men will always make mistakes, but that is why we shud not look to men as idols, but always seek God first. People will ALWAYS let us down, but God will NEVER.

  12. the reason behind all of this, nobody knows. Mike has reason for what he did and we should not disown him for it. everybody makes mistakes and i still am going to pray for mike.

  13. Don’t forget some other classic Aussie high profile Christian failures.. Geoff Bullock, Pat Mesiti, Frank Houston, John Newton Hewitt.. google them

  14. Yes paige! You r exactly right! I mean, my church has prayed for this man for the entire 2 years of his sickness! But does the sickness of the mind require any less attention then the sickness of cancer?

    This man WILL be in my prayers. And i have learnt that we should not stop praying for anyone because we dislike them, or because they hurt us. Apply this to your everyday lives. Those who hurt you, those who sin apon you, still pray for them, as they need it, and probably need it more then we do!

  15. agreed with paige.
    funny that… he was sick for 2 years ‘diagnosed with cancer’ and still a survivor.. however never once got any media coverage? hmm.. now when he has been ‘caught’.. its everywhere!

  16. Many of you believe that my words are harsh, mean, uncaring, and or unforgiving. I stand by what I said and will continue to stand by it.

    Some think I am passing judgment, perhaps I am and then again perhaps it is my opinion. However I am tired of the wishy washy Christian, the one who believes we should forgive and forget everything, especially when it concerns out church elders and leaders.

    I have gotten a lot of flak over this blog however I think SOMEONE should stand up and say what needs said, things we’re commanded in the bible to do or say. It not always about forgiveness folks. There is such a thing as accountability. It goes with the territory, so if you makes you feel uncomfortable then perhaps that is a good thing.

    I have gotten numerous emails and comments about this, most have made it here while some have not. As far as those who have sent me “judge not least…” or “you who are without…”

    Well you have no earthly idea what you have started. My dad is a preacher, so I know more than my share about religion and scripture, I can quote you under the table passage and verse so for those who wish to bang at me let’s look at some other passages and commands we have been given:

    Matthew 7:15-20

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. …

    2 John 1:10-11

    If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

    Luke 12:57

    “And why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?

    Titus 1:13

    This testimony is true. Therefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith

    2 Thessalonians 3:6

    Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

    Colossians 2:8

    See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

    Romans 16:17-18

    I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.

    Mathew 18:15-17

    “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

    1 Kings 2;9

    Now therefore do not hold him guiltless, for you are a wise man. You will know what you ought to do to him, and you shall bring his gray head down with blood to Sheol.”

    2 Corinthians 11:13-15

    For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

    1 Timothy 5:19-20

    Do not admit a charge against an elder except on the evidence of two or three witnesses. As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

    Let’s not forget that God is a ANGRY & VENGEFUL God as well, if you don’t think so you have forgotten plenty of scripture in the bible. As for my comments about the Evangelical Church I stand behind those as well. I did not say all but most are quick to judge others without looking to themselves first, it’s why I smacked them as they are once again the ones who are found in such deep deception yet once more.

    If they don’t want to hear my harsh words perhaps they shouldn’t be throwing out their own as well as their lies. I wonder just how much damage this man has caused that many of you are so quick to forgive. I had two people I knew well die from cancer, one a young boy, the other a middle aged woman. Both FOUGHT the GOOD fight. All of us were crushed when they lost the WAR!

    While watching these two go through this hell the one thing I saw very quickly was how they were inspired by others who were winning or won their own wars with cancer. It gave them hope in more ways than you can understand unless you have been around, worked with, and went through this up close and personal with them as I had.

    God is a good thing to hold onto to be sure, however most people need something tangible as well, something they can see or touch, something or someone who is going through the same thing. Which helps them see they can make it, so in so did, thus so can I.

    A perfect example is Lance Armstrong. He has become the hope and inspiration to many cancer patients. They draw their strength from some like that or others. So you have this scum come along spewing lies, leading people on. Who and I don’t care what was/is said about that song (Healer) is now a lie, to find out he is a fraud.

    Now I ask you and think before you speak. Just how many people with cancer do suppose were crushed by that, hum? How many had found a new hope in this story and song to find out it’s a LIE! What do suppose or think that did or made those people feel and lose. Their HOPE, their Faith?

    I know our Faith should not be in man, but how many of you have faith in your husband or wife? How many of you would be crushed and loose all your FAITH if they cheated on you? Before you say it’s not the same thing it is, it’s the same principal.

    So yeah, your damned well right I’m pissed at this scumbag, and I have ever right to call his ass on the carpet for it and not forgive him letting him off easy. It’s time we as Christians not only spoke up but DEMANDED accountability of our church leaders. They choose there calling, and while I understand they are men who get tempted by the “world” as we all do, they are to be held to a higher slandered. They knew what they were getting into to, it wasn’t forced on them.

    As for one person who sent me an insulting comment that didn’t make it here and professes that the word “stupidest” does not exist, please follow the link provided below and in the future if you don’t know what your talking about keep your mouth shut instead of showing your ignorance.

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stupidest?r=75

  17. Wow, well I must say I haven’t read through all the attacks on me yet but I have read enough to respond.

    Firstly, I was in a very violent marriage when I was first saved. My first church helped my ex husband abuse myself and children more. Man I went to them for help and that didn’t work. So I was pretty hurt by the church and it was really hard to forgive them and my ex for all that we went through. I was a complete wreck. Angry, bitter, unforgiving. I did come to realise eventually that the only person being hurt by my feelings was me and ultimately my children. I was affecting the people closest to me. I didn’t forgive the church or my ex because they deserved it, I forgave them because I needed to so I could live right before God and be a better mother to my children.

    Since that time I have been hurt in every church I have been in because lets face it, unless you are somebody special in their eyes you are treated pretty bad.

    I am thankful to God that He has given me the strength to keep seeking Him and to keep forgiving, not because people deserve my forgiveness but because Jesus forgives me and I really just want to know Him more.

    Why should I let what people do to me hold me back from the Lord?

    I do encourage you again, to forgive for your sake. Don’t let what people have done to you dictate how you feel or live. How dare what people have done to you hold you back from the fullness of Jesus.

    I am for you and not against you. I am certainly not defending the church by any means, which I made clear in my fist post. The church has a lot to answer for and they will answer for it.

    God bless to all who want to rip my head off. :)

    The funny thing is.. after all I’ve been through not much can hurt me now. I tend to get lots of joy when people attack me. God is good He brings us through the hard things.

    James 1:18 says He brings us forth by the word of truth.

    Basically the best place to find the word of truth is in His word, it’s really hard to find it in a church today. Though I do believe there are some out there.. somewhere…

  18. And for the record, the Lord told me to throw out all my hillsong cds a year ago. I haven’t listened to them for two years and do not support the church in anyway. I am absolutely grieved by the false teaching of Hillsong and now all eyes are on what Michael G has done and nobody is seeing the real issue.

    A church that gives a Jesus to people that is not found in the bible put a man in a position to hurt thousands.

    When I mentioned forgiveness I was in now way supporting the church or Michael G in their sin.

    As far as I am concerned Hillsong leadership need to appologise to the people of God and the many young people all around the world. But no they are just trying to pass it all onto Michael G.

    The whole thing is a disgrace.

    Still I encourage this blogger to forgive, not just this incident but all that is in the past, for their well being. That doesnt mean I am saying that what has happened is okay nor that they should forgive because the offenders deserve it.

    The true gospel message is this..

    If we want Jesus to forgive us we need to forgive others. The bible tells us if we do not forgive those who have hurt us then He will not forgive us.

    So please understand, I am speaking for your well being and in no way support the offenders. In fact I only infuriate the offenders with the truth of God’s word. They don’t like me either. Haha I’m not very popular.

  19. Wow, you guys blow me out of the water. If you are a Christian there is only one thing to do and you know what it is – whether you like it or not. If you are not a Christian then I apologise as a Christian for the hurt that you have been caused. Yes we have a lot to answer for and we will answer before God – as will Mike. However we must keep our eyes fixed on God, not on man, not on the sins of man, not on the wrong things done in churches, but on God and God alone. If people are put off coming to God because of what man does then God is not very big is He or perhaps that person is looking for an excuse to stay where they are. I don’t know why people do what they do but I know that God is bigger than Mike’s sin, he is bigger than all this bickering and judgement and God will have his way. Why did this lie not get exposed? Well I can only think that God allowed it to go on for whatever reason He had. Because the God I know would have made sure that it was exposed if that was what He wanted. Why do you think God is so small that He couldn’t have put a stop to it anytime He chose? I don’t know and neither do you. Please stop judging Mike and each other and as far as Mike bringing down the church, I think we can do it well enough for ourselves if you read all the blogs going around at the moment. I for one am grieving for the lies that were told by Mike to the many that have been hurt. Particularly his family and close friends who may be feeling betrayed and duped, but most of all they are hurting and I feel for them so much. I wish just loving them and holding them up in prayer was enough but really they just need God, I hope they will all stand firm in their faith. The media is having a field day with this and some may say that the church deserves it and maybe it does – I don’t think so but maybe. BUT, there are many Christians who are just being hurt more by the judgement from both within and outside the church. No-one should be crucified and if your boyfriend is put off by this I am sorry. But I stand firm in that God is the one we should focus on and I am not afraid that my (unsaved) husband will be put off by this lie because God saves, not man and God will save my husband perhaps through the words of a man perhaps not but it will be done by the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Please stand firm in your faith and keep your eyes fixed on Him and do not let this man or any other take you away from His amazing love. It is as we allow His love to flow through us to others that they will see Him. Let your love shine so that all can see. Bless you and I pray that you can put Mike’s sin in to perspective.

  20. Jo-

    My “attacks” as you call them, are because I am defending my boyfriend. It is one thing to be hurt once. It is one thing to be hurt twice. But when your whole life is full of hurt from “The House of God” that is something else entirely. Personally, “God” for me doesn’t sit in a Church marking your name off on a list when you show up or circle it if you don’t. It isn’t where you are at, it is if you maintain your connection with “God” that matters. If you prefer praying at home rather than going to church, that shouldn’t make you less of a person. My opinion is Church is here for one thing, money. You can just as easily sit at home & read the Holy Book and pray to maintain your connection with “God”. Your question will come thus: “What if the person doesn’t understand the ‘Written Word’?” Then trow out the book, and pray to “God”. The Bible is essentially a book of morality stories, and not necessary. That is, IF you believe in God. I won’t stand idly by when I feel someone is attacking Turtle. And since you think you weren’t I will accept that and apologize for “Attacking” you.

    As for Turtles well being that is for myself and him to deal with. He can chose to ignore to me and seek his own path, or he can listen to me. I can’t force him to believe anything, nor can you. If he so chooses to forgive anyone, that is for him to decide.

    As for me, I will find my own way. I Do not accept any religious interpretation of God. I believe God is able to be all things to all people and is not so limited by any one religion or another.

  21. Jo – “The authenticity of worship resides not in the composer of a song, but rather in the heart of the singer.” – Batsirai Chada.

    That’s a first for me. I’ve never heard of God telling someone to throw any worship CDs out, but considering you don’t think Hillsong isn’t much of a church…Meh.

    I know you don’t like them or their stuff at all, but thousands of young people around the world are being impacted by their songs, by what their youth is doing, by the impact that they have.

    “But that doesn’t matter. Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.” – Philippians 1:18

    This verse just comes to mind, now that I start thinking on it. There are lives out there that have been changed by God through their work (as flimsy and uhm, ‘false’ as it seems to many people). I am witness to quite a few.

    I was there at the Hillsong Conference 2008. I was there when Mike G appeared out of nowhere and gave his ‘testimony’ and song.

    Maybe to most, it was just emotions, but I know that night was a great night. People were filled with faith, and even though he was a fake, they still believed.

    Not in Mike G, whom they did think was pretty cool, like, “yeah, he’s still alive. For now.” but while everybody was praying for him, I think they were praying for themselves more and other truly sick loved ones, as he was just a sick dude who wrote a nice song.

    And at that night, they believed in a God of miracles; they put their trust in a God who heals. Isn’t that what faith is about? Putting your trust in Jesus, in His power to save your soul and to restore all that was lost?

    I think that’s declaring the power of God, to proclaim your belief in His restorative power, that He is the Creator of our bodies and thus have the power to bring health back to it.

    I hope the Bible doesn’t say anything that goes against that. I mean, I just barely left my teens, and I really don’t know much. If the Bible does say something against that, well, I guess I’m sorry.

    By the way, no way do I have any qualms against you; in fact, I’d say good for you if you think Hillsong is a terrible ‘church’; if you can even call it a ‘church’.

    But I guess that’s easy to say when one’s an outsider, huh? One day, I want to visit all these mega-churches, and integrate myself there for awhile, to really see what they’re all about.

    Prosperity? False excitement? Feel-good teaching? I’ve heard a lot about them. Most of them really bad.

    So far, having been visited a few Hillsong services, they seem to be preaching the right things, though again, I may be wrong; I don’t know much. I’m not part of that church by the way; not even the same country.

    I’m just…particularly interested in why everybody seems to hate the big churches. Or why the media seems to want a piece of these guys all the time. Somehow (again, just personal opinion and observation), I think it’s because they are making massive impact all over the world in different ways, and people seem to want to be, well, detrimental to them?

    Example: Hillsong’s youth team currently has this ‘The I Heart Revolution’ project targeted to remind Christians that worship also means bringing justice for the unfortunate, for the widows to be helped, for the poor to have food and clean water.

    No mention of it anywhere else except Hillsong itself, it seems.

    Mike G’s fraudulent fiasco flaming up? Frank Houston’s secret sex scandal?

    All over Australia and over the Internet. >.<

    Finally, I believe God is a God of Justice. While some may believe Mike is going to be unpunished, I don’t really think so. In fact, I think his punishment, is about to or has just begun.

    Of course, no lightning bolts (though if there are any, I’d say the other fake ones are going to come out of the woodwork), but historically(or just biblically, seeing that there are a lot of people who think history =/= Bible) God likes to discipline His children with so-called ‘heathen’ people. Israel was whacked so many times by so-called ‘ungodly’ nations, I can’t even remember how many.

    And guess what’s happening to Mike G now?

    Many Christians have denounced him and the world has their hands on his throat. He’s completely lost every credential and every inch of credibility on him. God’s purpose for him? Gone or at least, stripped away completely. This man will go down in history as a terrible fraud, a fake who made every person who believes in Jesus lose credibility. And guess what? This is just the beginning.

    At the end, worst of all, when he meets the Maker of Heaven and Earth, to be accountable for everything he has done, what do you think he is going to say? Worse, what do you think *He* is going to say?

    Crap. I think I said too much. This may not even make it through. Ah well. Just some-uh, many thoughts from a passer-by…

    As an aside, it’s surprising nobody in the comments mention that Mike was actually a Planetshakers fella, not Hillsong…

  22. I would like to thank Texas Turtle for having the guts to stand up and say what needs to be said.

    Cheers – Scott

  23. It’s obvious you know your bible. I think at times we forget that before forgiveness is given there must be atonement, without one the other can not exist. You’ve shown courage to say what you have while it is not the popular belief. I only hope however you don’t really mean crucification.

  24. Dear turtle,

    Seeing as my last post did not make it through, i wud like to apologize as it may hav been a personal attack on you. In saying that, i think i will say what i wasn’t going to, and pray that you listen to me.

    Matthew 7:15-20:

    Mike was not and never will b a flase prophet. Go back and listen to his preachings, there was never any false words when it came to Jesus. The only false words was his own story, and he will be punished for that. But if you listen to the things he said, or the words to his song, it is all true and he always put God before himself in his sermons.

    2 John 1:10-11:

    Same as what i said before. Mike DID bring the right teachings, no matter what the motive behind it was. As t states in Phillipines 1:11 – 15 “But that doesn’t matter. Whether their motives are false or genuine, the message about Christ is being preached either way, so I rejoice. And I will continue to rejoice.” As long as the teaching is correct (which it was) the motive behind the teaching is for the person themselves to deal with.

    Luke 12:57

    Yes, Jesus only warns against the whole judging thing in terms of condemning others to make ourselves look good. But Mike is being judged, and judged very fairly. What we are looking to is to forgive. In saying that, it is the people in position that are to judge him, and they are doing it fairly. As long as they do it fairly, why should we interfere?

    Titus 1:13:

    If you read before it clearly states in verse 10 ‘men who overthrow whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.’ Mike was teaching the right stuff, so same as what i’ve been saying. So many people have been saved through Gug’s preaching and the words to his songs, and yes even his prophesies. His lie did not make the presence of God different, as he is insignifficant in God’s plan

    Sorry, i’ve gotta go. I hope you understand, as there is alot here. But i will finish them when i get back. Unless someone else does them for me.

    But let me tell you, you deffinately know your stuff.

  25. Joshua, I have been to hillsong church quite a few times myself. Like you I used to think there was nothing wrong with the teaching. I have been to three recordings of cds and had many cds.

    Over the years the more I read my bible the more I saw how what I was hearing from many churches was not in agreement with God’s word.

    Hillsong church is giving you a gospel that is very much be prosperous now and name it and claim. When hillsong hold conferences they invite the false teachers of America that do the same.

    Two years ago I became aware how the Christians of Australia had made it all about hillsong instead of Jesus. I was grieved.

    God set me free from Hillsong. How ridiculous does that sound but its true. People are so caught up in their worship and their fancy entertaining church they are actually exalting hillsong above Jesus.

    I was saved when my children were 2 and 1 and I brought my children up in pentacostal/apostolic churches now I am sorry for it and having to talk to them about all the error I had them in and warn them to be careful about what they listen to and who they allow to lay hands on them.

    What I see is people being saved and swept along by a doctrine that is not of God at all. If they read their bibles eventually they find the Jesus of the bible.

    I hope you read your bible Joshua.

    As for everything you said about the hillsong worship…

    There is worship and there is entertainment. Entertainment in Latin actually means to detain you from entering in.

    When people are instructed to jump at a certain time and lights flashing and all sorts of moods being set-that is entertainment Joshua.

    I want to go back to the simplicity of the gospel. I want Jesus, the Jesus of the bible.

  26. Hi Texaspony, I think you and turtle are great and I am certainly not expecting turtle or yourself to do anything I say. I only wanted to encourage turtle because I totally understand where he is coming from.

    As for being constantly hurt by people who are supposed to love us, people who are supposed to be representing Christ, I understand that too and I know when we receive God’s love it completely changes us.

    Are you both Michael Phelps fans? I saw the pic of him on this blog. He really cleaned the Aussies up didn’t he?

  27. Hey Jo,

    First let me express my apologies if I or anyone who has commented on this topic has hurt you or your feelings. I like what you have to say very much as well as getting to like you. You seem like a grounded individual who does or can in fact relate to me personally. As from what I have read on your end I know I can very much relate to you.

    I hope to form a friendship with you and continue to communicate long after this topic has “died” and gone by the wayside. As for Michael Phelps, I am an extreme fan of his, Pony; eh, doesn’t really get into sports or the Olympics but he was excited by Phelps.

    As for my words and opinions on this topic they are my own and I still stand by them for now, perhaps and when other events happen concerning this horrible event happen then I might be able to forgive. For now though I can not. I really do wish to keep communicating with you, particularly through emails and IM’s about a great other things where you seem to have a deep understanding (ie: what you have been through).

    I don’t wish to air certain things here as they are deeply private but I feel a connection to you. I have been hurt deeply by the Church, in ways no human being should, especially a young boy. I think that explains a lot right there without going into the gruesome details to the public.

    I have forgiven much of the past however there still is a great deal I have not and don’t know if I ever truly will. Anyway I have said a much more than I probably should have. When you read this please let me know if you would like to begin forming a friendship past this topic; friends are a hard find, and friends who can relate and understand are even harder. Wherever you are please have a good morning, day, or night.

    Your Friend,

    Turtle

  28. 2 Thessalonians 3:6

    the part in your translation that says ‘walking i idleness’ is telling us that these people were not working. They were waiting for Christ to return. Paul was telling them to do God’s work and bring people to him. So the translation of this scripture does not apply to gug’s for he did bring many people to Jesus, and even if he didn’t, it does not say not to forgive him, just that you ‘keep away’, don’t assosiate with him. But as i said, it really doesn’t apply to this situation.

    Colossians 2:8

    This scripture tells about how you should not let anyone take you ‘captive’. Gug’s tried always to bring people to God, and telling people about Jesus is to set them free. He may have lied, but they were lies about his motives, not lies about the word, as is what it says to be careful from here.

    Romans 16:17-18:

    The second sentance here does kind of portray gug’s, as it says ‘For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites’. And i do believe that his motives were to serve his ‘own appetites’, but the first part again says to beware of ‘those who cause divisions and create obstacles’. Gug’s is not one of the people this verse is talking about, as he never cause ‘divisions’ or ‘create[d] obstavles’. He always taught the proper word of God. And again, even if he didn’t, it does not say not to forgive, just to ‘beware’. Again, do not assosiate with those who preach blasphemy. But gug’s was not one of these men.

    Mathew 18:15-17:

    This verse talks about how people should repent for their sins. Now if you have at all read the news, you would see that he actually confessed, and is getting psycological help. So gug’s did ‘listen’ and admits it is his ‘fault’. But in saying this, even if he had of gotten caught and would not repent, this verse talks about how we should try several times to help him. Then we do not associate with him. Again, we still forgive and forget, but we just have nothing to do with him. Although gug’s did admit his wrong doings and is being punished as i am typing this.

  29. 1 Kings 2:9:

    This verse is about a completely different issue. It talks about david sentencing shimei to death because he cursed a man of God, and i believe there is more to it, as david did forgive shimei, but shimei had the motive to take over the thrown. I do not know the whole story, but i know it is not about the motives behind a preacher, and does not grant us the ability to judge others, or say that we cannot forgive.

  30. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15:

    Here, Paul is talking about the false apostles in the Corinthian church. In Cor 11:4, Paul describes these false apostles as those who came to the Corinthians ans preached another Jesus than the Jesus that he and his associates preached. Gug’s never did that. As we have already established.

  31. 1 Timothy 5:19-20:

    This verse talks about ‘those who persist in sin’. Gug’s has told all about his sins, confessed, and is now getting the proper judgement from the proper people. We are not those people. God has put the people who are judging him in their places because they would do a much better job than you or i.

    Thanks, i have learnt alot. I love this kind of talk, having intelligent conversations. But i’ve got some homework to finish lol, so i best get goin!

  32. It was my birthday yesterday and I found out about Michael’s deception. I am a hillsong member and I am shocked and grieved by this news. My eyes are fixed firmly on my Lord Jesus Christ, thankfully not on man…i pray for all those that are hurting right now. I truely believe what was meant for evil, God will turn this around for good. I love my church, worts and all…but most of all I love Jesus and he is so much bigger than this.

  33. when i first heard about mike g’s indiscretion shall we call it, i instantly thought it was a lie..a man of God like he would never, COULD never, do a terrible thing as that. That is what people of the world do, is it not? but a PASTOR no less, the man who had written the beautiful song Healer that inspired millions, i just couldnt believe it. then alas, i found out it was true.

    i wept.

    i couldnt understand why he would do that. how ANY human being with the slightest bit of a conscience could do such a thing. i began to imagine if my husband came home and told me he had cancer and wouldnt live..it would devastate you beyond what any of us could ever imagine. then for it to be a lie, well my first response was he would be better dying and being in heaven with a good name on earth than this disgrace.

    then God challenged me. yes mike g is a pastor. but first and foremost he is a christian. and as christians we ALL stumble. the bible says if you deny this you are a fool. we all make mistakes, we all mess up big time. but this had become such a big deal because people are looking to his position first. the way i see it now, with Gods help, is that mike g is just a man in the publics eye who messed up BIG time, has told the truth finally and is now seeking the correct help.

    to begin with, yes i thought as you all did, that i could never forgive him, i felt so hurt so betrayed so ripped off. but he is my brother in Christ. if my biological brother did the same, i would find it in myself to forgive him because i love him. so shouldnt we all do the same for Mike? it takes a man of courage to step out to the ENTIRE world and dry your dirty washing for ALL to see. can you imagine the guts it took to tell the world you had lied? i couldnt do it.

    so i will continue to pray very hard for this MAN OF GOD, just as i did when he ‘had’ cancer. he is still sick either way you look at it. so i pray for his healing. another thing, i couldnt even listen to healer after i found out. i dispised the song. but arent thr words still true? isnt our God still able to heal? isnt He our portion. we should trust in Him. so yes the prophet was false but the words are not. i listened to it today for the first time since the news broke. and i felt the Spirit of God move over me like never before. because i had forgiven. and the words of that song are so so powerful. God will use anyone to tell us what He wants us to hear. this time he used a man who lied.

    the pslams were written by david who not only committed adultery but was also a murderer. we discredit healer and we may as well throw out the psalms. its the same thing.

    so in all of this we need to have compassion. the man was sick. either way you look at it. it takes a messed up person to say the things he did. we need to forgive. other wise how can we ever get to heaven. and you know what, i believe once mike asks God for forgiveness, if he hasnt already, God will instantly forgive him. then God will completely forget all about it.

    so i question you, how is a man who told a lie any different to any of us? we all have sinned. we have all messed up. maybe not as big as mike but in Gods eyes its all the same. so i would like God to forgive me of all my sins so shouldnt mike be forgiven too?

    Michael Guglielmucci is still a Christian. He is still a man of God. He is still our brother. our friend. so please pray for him. he must be going through hell. and please, dont be turned off because a man (of position) fell. if it were me, you wouldnt care if i had told that lie, its just because it is who it is. a man of position. and before you say “well a man of position shouldnt have done what he did” let me remind you, he is first and foremost a christian.

    dont rip him. love on him. he will need it.

  34. Yes turtle I would very much like to keep in touch with you on a regular basis. Reading your last post to me broke my heart.

    I actually have my own website with a chat room and forum, you can always visit me there or email me through the website if you want to. I also have myspace.

    You don’t need to apologise to me. I have not been hurt or offended by anyone here.

  35. Ok, how about this for compromise. He serves Prison time for lying to everyone, and using his condition for fame. And what ever other laws he broke in the process. While doing that you Christians can “lift him up to god” in prayer. After that then we forgive him and move on. Yes?

  36. Amos 5:24 But let justice run down like water, And righteousness like a mighty stream.

  37. Jo-

    You lost me with that one. Can you translate the Metaphor into plain English? Please!!!

  38. Hi texaspony, well basically I was just putting scripture to your post before it. You are wanting justice and things set right, (righteousness)

    Amos saw a society pretty much like what we see today, and he saw the sin of God’s people. Amos knew the need for God to pour out His justice and righteousness, that it would flow like a river and things would be set right.

    So if you want justice and things to be set right, I encourage you to pray that God would pour out His justice and righteousness and let them flow down like a river from God’s throne. If you look at Ezekiel 47 it talks about the river of God, thats another post though.

  39. Compramise sounds nice lol… but i dont get y he shud go 2 prison 4 lying… just sayin… like i think he is bein judged properly.

    Like if you hav ever read ‘A Man for All Seasons’. Thomus More (the main guy) hides behind the law, and only judges people according to our laws (he was a judge in court), but cannot judge people according to God’s law. If you get what i’m sayin. I dunno if this is true, but i dnt think he has broken any laws, as for what he did ethically he is getting help and has been suspended as a preacher, but God will give him what God sees fit as a punishment. And if God is ‘angry & vengeful’ as you say, then he will be judged, and God can judge better than any of us.

  40. Oh, well How about the here & now. We know God does not interfere in our daily lives. can’t we just take up the mantle and punish him for breaking man’s laws? Then let God deal with the rest?

  41. In this country it’s illegal to commit fraud. To deceive people out of their money. I imagine there would be an investigation and they have promised to pay back all the money but I dunno, it seems quite odd that there hasnt been anything to say whether the police have questioned him yet. He will be on Australian tv tonight giving an interview.

  42. I too was shocked when I first heard about this, however, I can understand what went wrong a little more now that I’ve read his own words (rather than what has been put forward in the media and on the net in various angry blogs). He was struggling with a secret sin that he obviously felt too ashamed to admit to anyone and it took it’s toll on him physically. Pretty soon, Mike started to cover that up by saying it was cancer.

    This one thing I have to say – we are all sinners in need of the grace and power of God whether we told the occasional white lie or we lied to the world, whether we have a secret problem with lust or we have pushed God away in our day to day lives. Jesus died for us all.

    He was a brave man to come forward and make things right.

    God bless you Mike in your recovery!

  43. Michelle-

    I cannot believe you just said that. Then again, maybe I can. You just said it was ok for him to Lie about having cancer to cover up for another lie. Or at least you said you understand it. There is no reason for “a man of the cloth” to lie. I don’t care what it is. As you Christians tout..a lie is a lie. Courage to come forward? He WAITED 2 damn years, then came forward. It is something else entirely if he had not been a priest. Also, instead of telling the whole damned world he suffered from Cancer, he could have kept it within his family. He didn’t, he went around advertising it. Which, whether he intended it or not, it garnered him Fame. But I guess that is ok, he is a Christian and we should just forgive him and let it go. And now according to Jo, after all of this coming out and him being lambasted with criticism, he goes and makes it worse by doing interviews! Most media outlets PAY you for an interview!!!!!!! Which means he is making more money off his story!

    Jo- I was real close to just moving past this, but not now.

  44. The people who are interviewing say he is not being paid for the interview. So the story is.. he is giving a free interview.

  45. Well, well, well a strange thing has happened. The advertising for the interview with Michael G was on tv an hour before the show was due to air. The advertisment showed Hillsong, then suddenly with no explanation the interview was not aired. Hmmm one wonders if hillsong used copyright infringement to stop the interview. Very suspicious for a program to advertise something then not show it with no explaination at all, not even on their website.

  46. Hey jo, they r giving bak the money. I no this bcos i was one of the 1s who gav him money. My church had him over in a conference and we took up an offering giving him $3000. So wen this happened, you could imagine wat one of our first questions was. People were first told that the message of the word, prophesis and song were still true, as the motives of a man does not alter the authenticity of God’s word, and then the people were told that the money was given out of a genorous heart, and that michaels father wud either giv the money to charity, or giv it bak to the churches. They will giv the money to charity of the ones they hav no record for. And as i hav read MANY times, money is a big issue, and danny will not take advantage of it. As 1, i no trust is hard wen his son just commited fraud, but it is bcos of the big name of his father that every1 trusted him so (and the celebrity culture of the church… another issue), but also i no he will giv the money bak bcos he is wise, and noes it will bite him in the bak if he doesnt. So i dunno, do you still think he shud go 2 jail?

  47. Hey, i like to think you are intelligent people, not that i no you, just the way you speak, like yous dnt just scream stuff without thinking, like i see in many MANY blogs, which is y im speaking alot in here. I just wnt you guys to hav a look at this vid, it’s Mal Fletcher talking on behalf of the situation, i dunno if youve seen it already. And yes it is supporting wat im saying, and its only 4:11 mins so dnt say its wishy washy christian thinking, because yes it is basic, but its just a you tube vid, not responding to anything in particular. Anyway, yeh just giv me your thoughts:

  48. Oh no, don’t watch that video.

  49. John, I didn’t say Michael should go to jail. I think you’re getting mixed up. I posted scripture that justice and righteousness would flow, that is God’s heart.

    You also stated that you didn’t feel Michael G had broken the laws of the land and I was just letting you know that fraud is a crime in this country therefore the laws of this land have been broken.

    As for posting that link to Mal’s video that is a bad idea. Why would pony and turtle want to watch a video of another friend of the Guglielmucci’s defending them?

  50. Well with Dial up it took awhile to load, but I listened. And from what I saw, he agrees with me and you. There should be punishment. And once received and he apologizes, then we move on. I will accept that. I still do not believe in Christianity. But, as long as a person apologizes, accepts consequences of their actions, then why shouldn’t I forgive them? As far as I am concerned for now, he is forgiven by me, whatever that means coming from me.

  51. Woo! C i thought that we were like arguin the same thing, jst in a diff way lol. But neway, u hav made my day =] thnks for listening and actually takin the time 2 watch it. Ur awesome man, nd just 4 the record, i never thought u were stupid or nething like that, i knew from first readin this blog of how smart you were, which is y i replied as i said before lol. Neways im off, catch!

  52. I LOVE this Blog! Texas Turtle is insightful and makes you think. I look forward to coming to this Blog each and everyday. You never know what you’ll read or see next, it’s why I come back everyday. This is one of the best Blogs around. Keep up the good work Turtle!

  53. Alot of people are saying we should not judge, but these people do not know the bible… the bible did not tell us not to judge.. the scripture is

    Luke 6:37 “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”

    The thing is that we must all make judgements. The issue is that there should be no judgement and unforgiveness in our judgements. Michael Guglielmucci has done wrong, its alright for us to judge him but it must be without any condemnation or unforgiveness.

  54. i totally understand how you feel, and i support your argument, the church celebrity have to die..
    but the fact is that, people fail to see, the consequences of the failure in leadership…
    because when you’re a leader, and you make a MINOR mistake the consequences would be great…
    example Moses when he struck the rock instead of speaking to it…
    David sleeping with Bethsheba…
    just these two great leaders, we could see that God is serious when leaders make a mistake cause the whole generation would have to bear the consequences of a leader’s mistake…

    it’s not the time “not to judge” it’s in fact time to judge, because we don’t want to be a generation to suffer for a mistake like Mike’s…
    i hope people could see the issue here and not be soft on this…
    because we’re dealing with God’s leader

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